nyc.general

Slim wrote:
> On 2007-09-12 11:10:32 -0400, Bolwerk said:
>
>> Slim wrote:
>>> On 2007-09-11 07:48:28 -0400, " " said:
>>>
>>>> "Slim" wrote in message
>>>> news:46e60e63$0$11087$4c368faf@ ...
>>>>
>>>>> Where was stealing money in this thread?
>>>>
>>>> Anywhere someone claims that monitoring fares (and use of the cab)
>>>> is a violation of "liberty and freedom."
>>>>
>>>> GPS is the end of driver cheating -- so wonder some are incensed.
>>>
>>> Its is the beginning of the erosion of personal freedom and liberty.
>>>
>>> Soon the government will have GPS in every car sold, but you "have
>>> nothing to hide" right?
>>>
>>> So you don't see how you would effected? Of course not.
>>
>> I don't think the T&LC has the authority to put a GPS device in every
>> car. Until they do, I wouldn't panic.
>>
>>>> "Liberty and Freedom" means being able to pick the pocket of
>>>> passengers and employers for the anti-GPS crowd.
>>>
>>> Liberty and Freedom mean that I can drive my car (legally) when and
>>> where I want without the government,
>>> insurance companies or ANYONE knowing about it.
>>
>> It's quite a leap from
>>
>> GPS IN TAXIS IN NEW YORK CITY
>>
>> to
>>
>> SLIM CAN'T DRIVE WHEREVER HE WANTS WITHOUT GOVERNMENT PERMISSION
>
> I never said "permission".

I was being a little facetious.

> I feel that I have the Freedom and Liberty to get in my car, and operate
> it it in a lawful manner without ANYONE
> monitoring my whereabouts.

That's exactly it: lawful manner. The right in question is prescribed
by law. It's a statutory freedom, not a constitutional one.

By the same token, the T&LC has the right to know where each medallion
it has on duty is at all times.

>>> You have no idea what Freedom and Liberty are.
>>
>> If I'm going to be concerned about liberty and freedom, I'd sooner
>> worry about all the ways the government and private companies collect
>> private data about people: social security numbers, drivers licenses,
>> passports (now with biometric chips!), credit reporting agencies, odd
>> background check companies, etc., etc.. All of them are, first, way
>> more a threat to your livelihood and well being, and second, already
>> commonplace. Heck, any home owner can easily be found with property
>> tax records. Campaign contributors are easy to look up. Throw the
>> Internet into the mix too!
>>
>> Personally, I'd sooner have GPS in every car (which, again, isn't even
>> at issue) before I'd surrender my personal information to the state
>> for the dubious pleasure of driving (or, in my case, having an id to
>> prove I'm over 21).
>
> Having an ID to prove you are old enough to drive is nowhere near as
> onerous as the Gummnit tracking your every move.

It may be less onerous, but it's a bigger invasion of privacy. You're
submitting personal details to the state. They wouldn't even be able to
track you if it weren't for the whole licensing thing. With GPS, they'd
just see a bunch of cars, and notice when does something suspicious -
not who is in it. With licenses, there's a possibility that everyone
can be tracked, but also identified.